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the payroll tax cuts to expire or minimize taxes to hit some people. high tax residents new york, california may find some of the deductibility of taxes is restricted. all of that is going to have a negative impact on consumption. we have seen the third quarter show that consumption increase is slower than expected. that's going to get accentuated as we go into the new year, which is why i think even if there is an agreement the impact is going to be quite negative. >> jim, you disagree. you call it a mole hill. what do you mean? >> i think it's sold as a cliff as if we're going to fall entirely off and have this massive fiscal tightening next year. what is more likely is a modest tax hike and spending cuts and most things extended and we live to fight for another day. i personally think we will have fiscal cliffs over and over the next several years. if you have a modest fiscal tightening next year, it's nothing new for the economy. we have had 1% for every year of the recovery. the deficit has improved by about 3.5% in the first 3 1/2 years of the re
the payroll tax cuts to expire or minimize taxes to hit some people. high tax residents new york, california may find some of the deductibility of taxes is restricted. all of that is going to have a negative impact on consumption. we have seen the third quarter show that consumption increase is slower than expected. that's going to get accentuated as we go into the new year, which is why i think even if there is an agreement the impact is going to be quite negative. >> jim, you disagree....
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at the same time if the 2013 tax code more than doubles the taxes on dividends. i want to be there with my ropes, make them so i can secure myself and get them right back in. here's the bottom line. i don't want it to go over the fiscal. i'm a 46 in the adirondacks. the losses on the cliff won't impact the legislators until after the market climbs and unemployment skyrockets. it will be cause -- the cliff is going to close soon and you'll be up there with your home depot, sherwin-williams and at&t. why not be profitable on the other side of the valley. let's go to robbie in michigan, please. >> caller: with the 27% increase today, should i take my money and run? >> i don't know if it's going to be a 40. walt in new hampshire. how do youing? >> caller: boo ya from concord, new hampshire. >> "the monitor" me a job in 1977 and i almost took it. >> whirlpool, should i hang on? >> even though it's up 116%, it should not be sold. i owned it in the 50s in my law school dorm in 1983. let's hold on to this and go to patrick in washington. >> caller: hi, jim. booya. given
at the same time if the 2013 tax code more than doubles the taxes on dividends. i want to be there with my ropes, make them so i can secure myself and get them right back in. here's the bottom line. i don't want it to go over the fiscal. i'm a 46 in the adirondacks. the losses on the cliff won't impact the legislators until after the market climbs and unemployment skyrockets. it will be cause -- the cliff is going to close soon and you'll be up there with your home depot, sherwin-williams and...
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versus the 2013 tax code. we're glued each week to the jobless claims and they come out at 8:30 and right now they aren't going up or down and that's because business is frozen. if you're thinking about creating a business, you want to know if you sell it you get a good capital gains rate. if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every thursday as the claims spike because of mandated layoffs particularly in a military industrial complex. people will lose that right in 2013. and thousands of other companies are slimming down because, hey, we failed to rise above. when that happens, believe me, you'll want every bit of this mountain gear. you'll want the ice ax. man, we got to use this. this will no longer just be a key chain because if we're cl m climbing out of the cliff you need to be the first there and with the best stocks. i envision all segments of the m
versus the 2013 tax code. we're glued each week to the jobless claims and they come out at 8:30 and right now they aren't going up or down and that's because business is frozen. if you're thinking about creating a business, you want to know if you sell it you get a good capital gains rate. if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every...
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>> the tax code says sell apple. if you own it in a taxable account, i feel you've been given a fantastic opportunity to pay a lower tax rate on your profits than you will in a few week's time. given that i think many people own apple in their taxable or "mad money" accounts, it might be in the cross hairs of the fiscal cliff. you combine the greatest capital gains generator out there of all time in the change of tax code of uncertain proportions, it's almost impossible to justify not selling. those people then impact the chart and the chart is signaled code red and causes the institutions to worry that, perhaps, the stock can bring down the performance, which brings in still more selling. >> sell, sell, sell! >> it's a vicious cycle down. it makes a ton of sense. let's talk about what can happen here. year end, 2013, it will be too late to sell to get the tax break. we'll find out, i believe, that apple's ipad sales are through the roof, including the mini, the iphone will have bigger sales than thought in the u.s.
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i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this move. maybe his views leading him to democrat support have to do with education or the supreme court or gun control or foreign policy. not everybody is a single issue voter. >> no. not everybody is and, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt. let's give him the benefit of the doubt. take a step back. the issue is whether it's warren buffet worth 50 million pointing down at us and saying, hum. maybe the threshold should be 500,000 instead of 250,000. i don't know about you. but when i see the automatic pilot, and thank
i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this...
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i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because i was able to take advantage of whatever part of the tax code that his lawyer and accountant found out about. that's not good. we need everybody participating. that's why we say, simplify the tax code, get rid of these loopholes. >> congressman kingston, thank you very much. >>> apple and zynga among the big nasdaq movers today. we'll tell you which other big movers, winners and losers you need to know about. coming back in two minutes. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out.
i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because...
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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated to 1.4%. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home dep depot, the group would be flat lining. yet that hasn't been happening. it is shown by the rth, the market vectovector's retail num. it has been showing very well. that is why tonight we are going off the charts with the help of ed ponzi. my colleague at realmoney.com, we have to learn what the charts are seeing. if you remember, one of the reasons why i went back to ed. he is the guy who nailed it and
tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated...
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how many people pay sales tax at best buy, but no tax at amazon? one is armed with debt. best buy might not make it even if it does nothing. but who the heck would take down the debt that the former ceo is trying to buy the company with? perhaps the employees? amazon with that amount of capital at those prices, not only does it have a chance to put best buy in an early grave, it can go after every retailer with high debt. without being bound by the credit required to finance inventory or the need to pay escalating rents. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection.
how many people pay sales tax at best buy, but no tax at amazon? one is armed with debt. best buy might not make it even if it does nothing. but who the heck would take down the debt that the former ceo is trying to buy the company with? perhaps the employees? amazon with that amount of capital at those prices, not only does it have a chance to put best buy in an early grave, it can go after every retailer with high debt. without being bound by the credit required to finance inventory or the...
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...
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income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings that people otherwise might be getting. it's just a new way of looking at it. >> and there's something that i guess is being called housers law where the idea being no matter where tax rates are, tax revenues as a percentage of gdp are going to remain constant or relatively constant over time. have you been getting pushed back to your story about that concept conce concept? >> well, it's important to understand that's true. whether or not it's a law is another question. it's absolutely true that they've remained pretty stable. the point here is the distribution has changed. relatively speaking
income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings...
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. >>> people worry about having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minded real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector health care that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look, it's a real possibility if you go off the cliff. >>> plus a limited supply of medical office space. this is a nice, steady business. let's take a closer look with scott pierce. mr. peters, welcome to "mad money" so much. >> thank you for having me. >> i try all the time to find companies that might be beneficiaries of the affordable health care act. i stumbled on you guys. you're the one? >> we think we are. we've been fort. health care systems are now running like businesses. with 30 to 40 million more insured coming up, you this need a most affordable location to off those services. those are mlbs, they're on campus, and jim, i think over the
. >>> people worry about having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minded real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector health care that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look, it's a real possibility if you go off...
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who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot, and even best of breed staples, as companies shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commodized. think personal computers. just witness the hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. yes, 122%. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. is that -- well what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. just when you expect the company to be take it on the chin. what the heck is really happening at thi
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cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle moving dividend payable dates to this year after oracle announced it will accelerate its fiscal '13 dividend payments into this month. the payout for larry ellison will exceed 1$198 million. when you consider potential tax rates difference, that's serious money. >> real money there where you go up as high as 41%, yeah. from where we are right now, absolutely. the most tax efficient way to deal with dividends is not to have them at all. and actually run real growth companies that don't return anything to shareholders and power everything back into your bu
cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle...
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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that growth and personal consumption decelerated to 1.4%. these are not encouraging numbers. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast wealthiest parts of the country, for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home depot and lowes, you think it would be from the proverbial -- >> the house of fame. >> or at least the group flat lining. get that? isn't happenin
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they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's th
they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i...
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taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that they're concerned about a looming tax hike that might affect their portfolios as it is about the uncertainty that the cliff represents, that chinese economy represents, and that europe represents. >> totally. so they have two decisions. on the risk hedging they have to look where yield is going worldwide. that's the price of ensuring their liabilities. at the same time diversification is the other avenue, generating return. rather than awarding historically high allocations toward equities, move towards alternatives. >> not necessarily
taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that...
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the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was under george bush or barack obama. so i think your case is good in the short term, not so good in the long term. i think the best way to restore confidence in wall street in the long term would be to show we're serious about the deficit. i don't think any deal they strike will be as serious about the deficit as this fiscal slope. >> i just think that era, you're right. the economy boomd especially in the mid 1990s and late 1990s. i don't think it did so well a couple years after bill clinton raised taxes. that's one of the reasons 1994 republicans had the biggest election they
the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was...
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the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a lot of money on a lot things, some of which we need, some of which we don't. why would a 200-month tax raise destroy the economy but spending $200 a month on a smartphone somehow doesn't? >> because of the aggregation problem. if you just look at one person it doesn't look so bad. but when you sum it up across 300 million americans and you factor in that 70% of our gdp is consumer spending, in europe it is about 55% so we're more dependent on the consumer for our growth -- then you understand why the congressional budget office -- i don't think they've ever done this before -- is actually pred
the tax hike on most americans if we go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up across the board, $167 a month. that's about the same as two people's smartphones at home. that's not even a bill they had ten years ago. let's talk more about it. joining us, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. nicole wu, director of domestic policy at the center for economic and policy research. jared, i'm not suggesting we go over it but i think you get my point. we spend a...
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. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been peaking. >> that is something that if somebody put that chart in front of you and didn't tell you what it was, you would not be buying it. you'd say, that rally is something to be sold. >> i will say that apple is much more than a chart, apple is an ecosystem. apple is something that people love in terms of its products and so, therefore, why can't it transcend just being a chart with a technical breakdown? >> the emotion, it's amazing the emotion that this stock brings out in folks. we could say something negative about cat tractor. we'll talk about freeport mak and nobody will bat an eye. if y
. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been...
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revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears starting early this year. why this flu season could be the worst in years. >>> and later on, iran stays shot down an american drone. the navy says no you didn't. either way, our own phil lebeau has firsthand experience with a small drone playing a big role in this latest skirmish. icans be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 1
revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears...
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is it because of capital gains taxes? is it because of slowdowns in smartphones? is it alien invasion? what is it? >> it is mayans -- i don't know. i'll tell you that i think the way to look at this is, everyone's getting very, very dramatic because it's a big price stock. it is $700 down to $500 or $550. it looks like it is this huge thing. in the meantime there have been ten of these 30% corrections in apple's run-up in the last five or six years. it is a very regularly occurring thing. it is just that it started from a very high base. the thing to keep in mind, there is going to be selling pressure on this stock just for the fact that he ever one's got big gains in it and there is uncertainty about what the tax rate will be on capital gains next year. nobody should be surprised by this. what's very encouraging, in the wake of this stock coming down $150 a share and being such a huge weighting in the nasdaq and the s&p, the markets have essentially digested this move. other stocks have gone up. yesterday is a great example. i think if you're bullish on this mark
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the amt is an arcane tax, unlike payroll tax withholding, won't be visible to those it has ensnared until the end of the year. it could cause the average taxpayer to pay an additional $3,000 when she least expects it. talk about a nightmare. finally i'm worried about the possibility that the new austerity becomes a permanent austerity. simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because they took the grover norquist no new tax pledge. in that scenario, rising above, my pin means absolutely nothing. rise above what? the oath you gave to your voters? to these hardened partisans to rise above means rising above compromise. compromise is bad. right? i mean they think compromise is bad. they want to rise above it. they think it's a higher ground than not compromise. what's amazing to me is that when congress came up with this ridiculous cliff idea, there were legislators who believed that if these draconian changes were to become law, it would be so obvious we would be thrown into rece
the amt is an arcane tax, unlike payroll tax withholding, won't be visible to those it has ensnared until the end of the year. it could cause the average taxpayer to pay an additional $3,000 when she least expects it. talk about a nightmare. finally i'm worried about the possibility that the new austerity becomes a permanent austerity. simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because...
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have to raise taxes. democrats don't seem to favor lowered defense budget and favor higher taxes for the rich and so we're done. i think we're done. >> after durbin speoke yesterda, if you're going to get a blueprint, he doesn't want entitlements be part of it for next year. >> it's the 1,000-point solution. maybe that will change their mind. durbin said no. norquist is saying no tax increase. what else is there? am i missing something? what am i missing? blankfe >> stallen made a lot of sense. mass murderer about you doesn't mean he didn't make sense. >> blankfein, kent, mayer, roberts of comcast. is there anything these guys can say to change their tune? to get people -- >> we're just past thanksgiving. let's give it a little time. things can change. we've seen lots of back and forth. everybody is establishing their negotiating position. there's still a negotiation to come in some way. i'll take the optimistic view. >> maybe that's where they are starting from. >> a reset button? >> we have yet to get i
have to raise taxes. democrats don't seem to favor lowered defense budget and favor higher taxes for the rich and so we're done. i think we're done. >> after durbin speoke yesterda, if you're going to get a blueprint, he doesn't want entitlements be part of it for next year. >> it's the 1,000-point solution. maybe that will change their mind. durbin said no. norquist is saying no tax increase. what else is there? am i missing something? what am i missing? blankfe >> stallen...
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pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking
pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those...
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code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony capitalism is just as -- >> it's what democracy does. until it gets so bad. people get so angry, they gain control. shareholders don't really have control of corporations, until they do. and it's the same thing in democracy. >> tell me why i'm wrong about this and i've said it a lot. if you get government to the point where it's 25% of gdp, and you know full well it's bloated and overspending, i don't think you decide how to pay for that. you don't say, okay, i'm going to get the revenue side up. i think you immediately start on the 25. and knowing that b
code, tax expenditures. that is spending through the tax code. and it picks a favored and connected groups to get preferential tax treatment over others. >> like homeowners. >> like corporations. >> crony capitalism is just as bad -- >> well, it goes back to andrew jackson's veto of the -- what he talked about was people cutting their own private deals and he's absolutely right. >> and leading arthur brooks, whoever you pick, they make that point. the crony...
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i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive from economic growth and -- >> speaker boehner and republicans are reaching out to the administration. speaker boehner has said we'll put revenue on the table, not through higher tax rates but through closing loopholes and limiting deductions. that accomplishes exactly what the administration has demanded. >> but that means somebody's taxes will go up. >> sure. >> if you close loopholes an deductions. >> we'll make sure rates don't go up so you don't impact small businesses or middle class americans who obviously are struggling to get going and get back to work and get our economy going.
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the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period last year. smartphones, which include overall smartphone sales like samsung and iphone sales. but i think some were a little disappointed to hear that, were hopeful it might be stronger. there are also concerns the ipad share of the tablet market might be slipping. and of course some firms raising margin requirements as well. >>> the leadership group here, our banks, a lot of analysts got what they wanted, citigroup cutting jobs, 11,000 jobs. cutting expenses. what a sad reason for the market and financials to be up today on that kind of headlin
the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period...
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and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the near-term economic future of the country, people are going to rise above and do the right thing. and i think the republicans, frankly, are going to have to accept some tax increases. the wealthy are going to have to accept some tax increases, even if only temporary. but on the other side, there's got to be massive spending cuts and entitlement programs, because you can't have the -- a minor revenue increase without a decrease in spending. and then again, my favorite solution would be a temporary national sales tax, and a federal fuel tax
and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the...
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hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's been offered so are far which appears like $1.6 trillion in tax hikes against $400 billion of entitlement cuts over time, that's an even worse mix than the two-thirds/one-third european structure that really has gotten a negative reaction. >> how much is because of the mix and how much of it just this is what austerity looks like? >> is the money in capping deductions or raising marginal tax rates? it's in capping deductions. but that's tough because you have to tell someone no like the housing lobby or charitable contribut
hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's...
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>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the institutional side, probably pressure from the -- individuals might just simply get frightened off and now the result in selloff will lead to the stock being in stronger hands? >> i think that's exactly right. i think a lot of these investors will come back to apple after the tax related selling, whether that's in a week or two or sometime this year. >> we have a half dozen technicians focused on the selloff. historically they're only up 4, so a phenomenal november for the apple monitor, which are suppliers to apple. >> today just in today's ses
>> i think it's tax relateded selling. few stocks chair s compare to performance that apple has given you. if you're a long investor, you think, the other guy knows more than me. trust me the other guy does not know more than you. it's just that fundamentals are deteriorating as the stock falls and people feel they are missing something. they're not missing anything. this is a tax related selloff and it's a tremendous buying opportunity at 7.5. >> we're seeing the pressure from the...
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so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor people. it's money taken out of the productive sector, the private sector, and given to the nonproductive sector, the government. >> finally, we started the conversation talking about the pledge. when senator graham does, though, indicate his commitment is softening, do you have words with him later on? does he get scolded behind the scenes? >> i don't do any scolding. it's not my job to tell other senators or congressman how to vote or what to think. i try to communicate what i think is the message of our party. the
so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter...
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back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very high on major issues that are out there. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about is the apple situation, after that performance yesterday, you talked last week about how you talked about the people that were selling this week. do you think that's really what's happening in this situation? >> i do. whether it's that side which is kind of the negative side, you break the piggy bank, you want to beat capital gameins, you wa to beat the tax man. i think both those sides of the equation may have a lot more horsepower than people th
back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very...
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it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell, sell, sell! >> excuse me for a moment while i get nauseated. apple went down today because it's a big dollar amount stock and makes a ton of economic sense to ring the register before year-end. why do i always say about apple? own it. shocker. how about citigroup? this company's crushed shareholders
it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the...
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if we're going off the fiscal cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you really think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power and polling. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man less now rather than more later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. especially if you hold apple. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that arithmetic, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff, myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends. unfortunately savers are going to have no choice but to own dividend paying stocks. >> joe is not paying attention. buy lottery tickets and open a moe's franchise. that's what we should do. >> someone tweeted i have moe's tortilla chips. >> up next, up next -- thanks, peter. gop criticizing the president's proposals for taxes and spending increases. dems telling the republicans to bring their ideas to the table. can the two sides get together and get a deal done? we ask ed rendell and judd gregg about that and much more "squawk box" is coming right back after a break. for m
on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends....
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...
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avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax burdens is tax avoidance we can have a broad principle that rules out the why is what the companies one they want this thing called a. regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon the money paid there indeed there and here and there and we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah i'd also like come down on tax havens as well internationally that's really important so we don't have a race to the bottom so corporations think they can go wherever they like basically right now in the case of starbucks of course the boycott is a very potent weapon because it's a retail company. it's not an institutional business to business massive computer company let's say like an i.b.m. or something starbucks is directly with the public so a boycott really cuts into their revenues and for that reason it can be a very effective means to get the company's attention have you given any thought to th
avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax burdens is tax avoidance we can have a broad principle that rules out the why is what the companies one they want this thing called a. regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon the money paid there indeed there and here and there and we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah i'd...
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too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to finally see republicans joining in the negotiating process instead of watching from the sidelines, but while their proposal may be serious, it's also a nonstarter. they know any agreement that raises taxes on the middle class to protect unnecessary giveaways to the top 2% is doomed from the start. it won't pass. democrats won't agree to it, president obama wouldn't sign such a bill, and the american people won't support it. >> so let's bring in dan lothian because he's at the white house where the president is just about now me
too many tax increases. now the republicans have sent over a deal and still no meeting of the minds. you guessed it, not enough tax increases. here we go again. the deal does offer up $600 billion in save frtion medicare reform and other spending cuts and it also suggests raising $800 billion in revenue through tax reform instead of increases, but it just will not budge on raising those taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and that is why democrats aren't budging. >> we're glad to...
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everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning. >> president obama said a fam of four's taxes could go up. what impact does that have? >> it's fantastic to have the president our endorser in chief. when you remove that discretionary income and toys are a discretionary purchase as are other things. you are having some potential impact on the entire economy. obviously, toys and other things, as well. >> the president's plan calls for raising the tax rates on americans earning $250,000 or more. most republicans remain dead set against the president's plan. >> that's true. i think, though, we have to take a look at th
everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning....
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basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you know, they get special tax break for, for instance if they want to make a project internationally, they have a special government-backed loan program at the u.s. export-import bank. last year that program alone provided $10.4 billion in fossil fuels. melissa: can i ask you would be be better like my children and wont out like the navy and spent $26 a gallon on biofuels or like the air force which is spending $59 a gallon. would that be better for my children if we were all doing that? i don't like the navy and air force doing that. i think that is bad for my children's
basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you...
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once tax breaks get blocked democrats can go home for the holidays and on january 1 tax rates rise automatically for the top 2%. worried ceos came to capitol hill saying congress has to avoid the cliff. >> entitlements have to be touched and revenues have to be touched. >> to make sure we have revenue necessary in order to move this economy forward. >> we are willing to put revenue on the table as long as we are not raising rates. >> reporter: the president says no long-term deal without a rate hike on the rich. he is urging the middle class to lobby lawmakers. >> when american people speak loudly enough congress listens. >> reporter: 33 days, no deal yet. >>> the stock market rallied today as investors are hopeful that a deal will me made to prevent a fiscal cliff. >>> president obama met with his full cabinet for the first time since he was reelected. when he spoke out on behalf of susan rice cabinet members applauded and believe she is his top choice to replace secretary of state hill clinton but one moderate says she has doubts about rice. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.
once tax breaks get blocked democrats can go home for the holidays and on january 1 tax rates rise automatically for the top 2%. worried ceos came to capitol hill saying congress has to avoid the cliff. >> entitlements have to be touched and revenues have to be touched. >> to make sure we have revenue necessary in order to move this economy forward. >> we are willing to put revenue on the table as long as we are not raising rates. >> reporter: the president says no...